I’m all for brand loyalty, customer retention, giving back to the fans, and all of that stuff, but when do we come to a point where it’s being taken too far? When do we shut up and say “you know what? What am I complaining for”? Too long now, I’ve witnessed it countless times. A game comes out from a company who once showed more love to one platform than another, and is now showing love to the company of another platform. Later on, we get a petition (that almost never does anything) and fans go rampant on message boards and the comment sections of blogs, touting around their sense of entitlement as if they’ve directly paid for the funding of the project (indirectly, sure, but let’s not get too irrational).
This wasn’t as true when the previous generation was around, where everyone pretty much had an idea where each company’s hearts were set and the companies played to those assumptions. But now, more than ever, companies have started thinking about the business in a new light. They’ve evolved their own business in this very difficult industry, and that’s what a business should do if they want to succeed. That’s why I’m confused as to why some of us fans would try to ignorantly communicate to a company that they’ve stabbed us in the back. What a ridiculous and selfish notion to move. Let’s consider this question that a fan posed to Rockstar during a Reader Q&A session on their blog regarding the Ballad of Gay Tony DLC coming soon. Reader anthonycr states:
PS3 PLEASE, dont forget that Grand Theft Auto originated on the Playstation system (PS1)
Besides the fact that the game did NOT originate on the Playstation (it actually originated on the PC), I’m sure Rockstar never intended for Sony consoles to be the only home for Grand Theft Auto. Since the launch of the original, we’ve seen the game on many platforms: PS1, PS2, PSP, Nintendo DS, the original Xbox, Gameboy Advanced, Gameboy Color, PS3, xbox 360, and possibly even more platforms than what I’ve mentioned here. Were Rockstar not just being business men when they signed the timed-exclusivity contract with Sony for the first 3D versions of Grand Theft Auto?
If Rockstar was truly loyal and only wanted to be buddies with the Playstation fans, do you think they would’ve even gone through the trouble of porting release after release to the PC (the TRUE original platform for the Grand Theft Auto series) and the original Xbox? Plain and simple, Rockstar saw money, Rockstar took money. That’s all there is to it. They don’t have a personal vendetta against fans of a certain console, they have a personal vendetta against people who won’t give them money, so they’ll go looking for every little bit that they can.
Let’s switch gears here for a minute. In the comments section of the very same post, a user by the name of russeljones expresses his distaste for how Rockstar has “treated their loyal fans” and is seemingly sour over the possibility that Agent (a game that we still know almost nothing about) could eventually go multiplatform.
I can now say goodbye Rockstar, thats is tottal bullshit. How do WE PS3 owners know you wont go a month later after Agent is released and say hey where making it multiplatform.
Once again, loyalty is only a comforting afterthought in this day and age, especially in this industry. I know I’ve said it before and I won’t be hesitant to say it again until everyone can get it through their skulls: game development is now more expensive than ever to facilitate, and for a triple A game that takes 3-5 years just to complete to be profitable (which, if you’ve taken any basic economics class, you’d know a business simply cannot survive without positive revenue and profit), a company must be sure that the risk they’ve taken will be worth it. Microsoft enabled Rockstar to make sure that they could continue on with the risky development positively and not have to worry about any financial woes while trying to stretch their creative muscles (did we forget that Take Two, just before the release of Grand Theft Auto 4, were being bid on by EA for a business takeover, possibly hostile?)
This isn’t the first time this has happened, either. PS3 fans cried out to companies such as Capcom, who released Devil May Cry 4 for the Xbox 360 and PS3 fans felt betrayed. Why? This is even more asinine than your plight to get the exclusive Grand Theft Auto 4 content on your console. The game was still made for the Playstation 3, consumable in virtually the same form as their Xbox 360 and/or PC counterparts. Same with Resident Evil 5, Tekken 6, Final Fantasy, and more games that you feel only YOU should have access to. After a while it comes off less as being disappointed or given the shaft and more of you being bitter and selfish for no reason that I can even begin to think of.
I guess the overall message I’m trying to get across is: please stop whining and complaining. There was once a time where it was probably necessary and worth a shot to communicate to your favorite developers that they’re “doing you wrong”, but we honestly should not be surprised anymore by the actions that these companies take (not only because we’ve seen it once before and should start to realize that this is the way the industry is going, but because we should also not think about business like that altogether: no one owes you anything unless you’ve worked for it). This wasn’t meant to be an attack on all PS3 fans at all, nor am I being biased (I enjoy games for what they are, not what console they’re on), but I just wanted to point out and call foul to a good chunk of “loyal” Playstation and Sony fans out there who are too blind to see that they’re just being downright ridiculous.
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September 6, 2009 at 5:25 PM
I am fully with you in this, although i am devoted to ps3, but i am going to play the game either here or there, i dont mind other people playing with the game, its not like i made it or it belong to me… True True(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 5:28 PM
you should also mention the attempt to block the release of ToV. Whining and complaining aren’t console exclusive. nukeemon(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 5:54 PM
“I guess the overall message I’m trying to get across is: please stop whining and complaining.”
i agree w/ that but plz also stop writing article like this. i dont see it doing anything but starting flame wars mikey(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:01 PM
I can understand that, but that’s not the intention. The intention is to shed some light on why gamers, not just PS3 gamers, should stop thinking the way they do. The end result they see is the game, but under the hood there is a lot more going on that they probably don’t or can’t understand (ie, the way a business has to function in order to survive, especially in a failing economy). Quentyn Kennemer(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 5:56 PM
while all of this is true, what about the 360 exclusive content for GTA, shouldn’t ps3 owners have a right to experience that too if they wanted to? what about square enix saying they didn’t want to show favoritism towards just one console, but then going out and releasing every “next-gen” game they’ve made so far on just the 360? things work both ways. in the end though i think things have worked out for Sony though, DMC4 was okay, GTA4 wasn’t the huge step forward everyone was hoping for. meanwhile games made by first party sony owned studios like LBP and Uncharted have all been great. sony realized that they need to put money in their own studios rather than pay out the ass for exclusive games from third party distributors joe(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:06 PM
That’s where I agree wtih you, generally. But then you see the distinction: Microsoft chose to put their money into third party, and Sony chose to put their money into the first party, and the result of each instance is clear. Microsoft paid for the rights to exclusive content for one of the biggest games of all time, but Sony provides some of the most original experiences all grown right under their name.
Also, regarding PS3 owners having a right to experience the added content, I would certainly love it if everyone could experience all that Rockstar has to offer, but Rockstar was hurting and took the $50 million, and unfortunately there is nothing they can do about it unless they want to make more content other than what Microsoft paid them for. If Rockstar could, I’m sure they would, but $50 million is a lot and whatever contract they signed for it, I bet it’s their first and only obligation to fulfill it. Quentyn Kennemer(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Don’t give SONY to much credit for putting money in their own studios. If SONY had the money to invest in GTA to keep it exclusive, they would have done so, the economy stopped them cold on risky investments. SONY thought they could act on past business with Rockstar, see, its a reason GTA was exclusive to SONY, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Madden & others, they could afford it. Now, investors of said game companies, said we can make money on the XBOX as well!
M$ also, invests in their own projects, they know SONY cant rip Halo from them & SONY doesn’t have a game that can come close to it, while every power game that was exclusive to SONY, isn’t anymore.
LBP, Uncharted 2, MGS, GT, Killzone 2, & even God of War 3 doesn’t have a chance of garnering Halo numbers. Disappointment will ensue when Uncharted 2 doesn’t sell well this October. Yep, I’m predicting it, wont move consoles at all, Tomb Raider is over & Gears is much better, I don’t care how much SONY & others overrate the graphics & game play in Uncharted 2.
I can go all day on this but I need a rest, as does SONY fans. SONY got started by buying Mortal Kombat, FF from Nintendo, Resident Evil, Madden from the Dreamcast, & other games as well.
I don’t want to see any crying, None. Next time, don’t release a console at $600! otherZinc(Quote)
September 27, 2009 at 10:50 AM
You my good friend are ignorant. For one the only reason why Halo sells are so high up is because all that 360 fanboys play only care about is Halo they can’t understand what real games are. Yes you have your few gamers on the 360, I’m not going after them I’m going after people of your mind set. Sells dont make a game great Halo 3 was not a great game the only thing going for it was 3 things: 1. the success of the other 2 games 2.the Halo name 3. online if either one of those definitely the first one was gone the game would of flopped and M$ wouldnt be in the gaming industry…so plesae spare me your fanboyism and realize something.
M$ maybe doing something correct now…maybe with Natal and what not these E3, but their whole philosophy in this industry is copying others
Sony yes their ignorence of “Brand” name has gotten them in 3rd place, but they also have a greater selection of games a more variety of games as well as a mind set that will give the hardcore as well as catering to the casual without losing focus on either one.
So keep playing your Galo and i’ll play every other game out there =P because I be gamerfide Renai Kakume(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM
It is true that people like to complain about these things and as a business these companies are doing the right thing but since when did it become just about the money? Look at companies like insomniac or bungie who makes exclusive games you dont see them selling out do you? Jo(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:00 PM
I’m a PS3 only owner and I don’t mind third party games that were once exclusive on the PS2 to be multiplatfrom. But what I dislike is when games like FFXIII are gimped down to be on par with the X360 DVD9 space limitation.
An example? Square’s not going to include japanese voice acting on the PS3 version to maintain the version equal with the X360. And that’s not fair because Square once said that the PS3 version wouldn’t be affected by the X360 development…
Now come and try to prove me wrong on my whining. Just look at Tales of Vespeira and imagine how many more games that were exclusive to the PS3 have been affected by this multiplatform development. WWII(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Didn’t GTA Start on the PC not the PS1? dirt junkie(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Yes, that’s what I pointed out in the article. Quentyn Kennemer(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:08 PM
you cant just blame PS3 fanboys like they are the only fanboys out there
even the 360 fanboys make stupid things
so yah
i think you’ve been biased on this one
if you want to talk about fanboys
talk about BOTH of them
360 fanboys and PS3 fanboys
their is nothing like fanboysX are worst than fanboysY
fanboys are fanboys
no matter what console it is theone(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:13 PM
It’s not that I meant to single out the PS3 crowd (now did I ever call anyone a fanboy), it’s that I wanted to expound on this very concrete example that presented itself on Rockstar’s very own site. It also just seems to be more common with franchises that were once known to only exist on PS3 that are made for 360 that seems to spark a ton of controversy and petitioning. Quentyn Kennemer(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Ahem…
http://www.destructoid.com/xbox-360-users-enraged-over-tales-of-vesperia-ps3-port-147711.phtml Paranoimia(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:18 PM
You make a good point in your article, all this whining and bitching seems to take a lot more effort than its really worth, especially considering it really all leads to nothing.
I have seen a couple of people posting something along the lines of “What about the exclusive GTA4 content on the 360?” and I think these people are missing the point entirely. It’s not about what you do or do not have the right to play, you don’t have the ‘right’ to play anything, you have the privelage to do so. Unfortunately if you just so happen to not own the console that the desired content is on, then perhaps you made the wrong choice at the outset.
The GTA4 content is purely business, Rockstar got an awful lot of money for that exclusivity. The reason being that Microsoft want you to go out and buy an Xbox if you want to play it. And why not? The Xbox is a great little machine with a number of fantastic little exclusives (Mass Effect anyone?).
Speaking of the Xbox, I also noticed a little comment about Bungie up there. I think, if they were playing with an IP they actually OWNED then they would be a little less discriminate in which platforms their games were released on. As it is Microsoft owns Halo and they won’t be letting it play on any console other than the Xbox (and Windows of course) for a long looooong time. Zethnar(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:19 PM
Why they feel betrayed? Several companies say for years ‘X game is exclusive to PS3′ or ‘X game can only be done with the power of PS3′, Blu-ray is this and Cell that and then turn around and port it else where.
Every reasonable person understand that as business, broadening your buyer base makes total sense, but that doesn’t excuse companies from throwing BS after BS at their users and fans can’t really be blamed for getting pissed when they contradict themselves.
Simply say, ‘currently support for no other platform is planned’ instead of ‘This particle effects are only possible with the power of CELL®’. Some people actually buy crap such as this, go out and invest hundreds of dollars only to get burned/pissed after. Mustang(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 12:52 AM
…or maybe Sony betrayed them? Is it really that powerful? Maybe. But, as powerful as the Cell (PS3 as a whole) might be, it is hard to develop for… Most multiplatform games on the 360 are either better or on par with the PS3. Although, games like Killzone 2 or Uncharted look fantastic, how much can these companies waste time and money on years and years of development on a game to make it look that good? Some companies can’t afford that risk in a business sense. wiime(Quote)
September 14, 2009 at 7:09 AM
What I think about Killzone 2 is how if GG spent less time on drop dead gorgeous graphics and more time on play control, they might not have gotten so panned. They had to put out a friggin patch to fix the most basic controls and add a “high precision” mode. That’s the problem with Sony’s strategy. They are forcing their first party to tow the company line in practice, at the expense of what the game actually needs. Jason Danforth(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:23 PM
Ok, when things are exclusive for the 360 its just a business decision and someone made the wrong decision to buy a different console. I didn’t think of it that way, I guess you’re right. joe(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:30 PM
WTF!! Why do people like you insist on writing letters like this. You are obviously an xbox fanboy so this letter is trying to put down everything sony has worked for to beat xbox in the console war. This winter Sony WILL come out on top, and stupid articles like this WONT stop people from buying the ps3 slim this christmas. You guys think you are all big and bad cuz you have your GTA 4 dlc exclusitivity and the fact that Final Fantasy is now on the 360. Be Warned xbox fanboys, SONY WILL PREVAIL!!!! Geoffrey Prout(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 3:53 PM
@Geoffrey Prout,
That was a terrific letter as well as a truthful letter. He isn’t trying to put down everything SONY has worked for. To put SONY down is talking about their lazy@ss effort for online support, with that weak version of cross game chat, when they were out before M$’s regular XBOX.
Also, I don’t think SONY can win this holiday season because they don’t have the games releasing this 4th quarter to support such a claim. A $299 price tag cant sell systems for 4 months & beat a 360 that Has Halo 3:ODST, Left 4 Dead 2, Forza 3, & GTA DLC. I don’t see Uncharted 2 & Ratchet & Clank stopping the 360 & LIVE this holiday season 2009.
Games is the driving force behind console sales. Also, there will be a boost of PS3 Slim sales due to a large # of PS3 Fat owners trading in for the Slim upgrade, inflating August & September sales. Sales of that nature will be short lived & the PS3 will go back to normal.
That’s my sales prediction. otherZinc(Quote)
September 14, 2009 at 7:16 AM
All the venomous responses in the world won’t help either, Prout.
Where this author writes about a sense of entitlement in content, but I think it’s worse than that. Any suggestion that PS3 is not the king of consoles is an affront to the alleged monarchy… that winning the console war is a birthright and doesn’t have to be earned.
That’s not how this works. Jason Danforth(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:34 PM
I’ve seen it for far too long.. Bravo on your great article!
I also thought it was funny about the few questions R* did answer, in a Q&A for a DLC addon for the 360 mind you, they spent an awful lot of time explaining to PS3 fannies about how they will try and keep loyal to them..
Childish and it doesn’t surprise me at all because a certain group have big entitlement issues! ChrisE(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Oh one more thing.
Geoffrey Prout articulates this article perfectly with his childish rant, big surprise he is a PS3 fannie. ChrisE(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Very good article. EA was very close to taking over Take 2. I have both systems and depend on reviews to select which system I will get a game for. Wilfredo Lassalle Jr(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:41 PM
I’m not sure of Agent is a compensation to Sony or if it is really just one of their ambitions, but when the 3D games came out for PS2, like you said, they were on a time exclusive contract, but when the GTA pack was released on 360, that contract was still in place, so Sony SHOULD be getting something (whether that’s Agent or not, idk). Of course Sony doesn’t want to SUE them, they are a great company, they probably should just get some sort of compensation of some sort. phos(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 6:56 PM
PS3 owners are angr and feel that htey need the exclusives is because htye had them first and then they are taken away and dumbed down for the 360(FF13 and such) I mean think how great MW2 would be if it used the MAX of the PS3’s power.
Another reason is because sony just lets MS or nintendo take away there exclusives and just act like they can make a brand new ip that will pwn the one that has been lost to them.
Here is my idea
if it uses the max graphics on the 360 it can work on the PS3 and PC.
If it uses the max power of the PS3 then it will also work on PC.
If it uses the max power of the PC(LOL max power because Pc’s can be upgraded) then no console can work for it. Alexander(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Whilst I agree people should stop whining, there is a point to say why am I paying for a product that isn’t going to get supported in the exact same way ,because my choice of platform. I own all 3 consoles, so I just take whatever platform version that has : DLC, Runs better on, Friends who will likely play. I totally agree developers only want money, but you need the balance of money and fans. Darius(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 7:20 PM
I think when a person dishes out over $600.00 when the system came out and supported the company through thick and thin. It is okay to have a bit of criticism from those who truly are loyal. All we want is cross-game chat and xmb party system. Exclusives are a thing of the past. Put yourself in the third party perspective. The companies want to make money. There is a global economic recession. Once the first party companies get some more money then they can dish out billions for exclusives….mmmhmm (microsoft). Jim Lahey(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 7:28 PM
I don’t think devlopers owe us anything but i do think that if a game is multi platform they should be treated to equal content & not exclusive to one machine.
As for alot of games for example fallout 3 & gta 4 their content was exclusive to 360 & pc which is totally disgusting as microsofts only share in the pc market is windows not the systems. Jon(Quote)
September 14, 2009 at 7:21 AM
Why? It’s Microsoft’s money. Sony has money, too. It’s up to them how they spend it. And it’s up to us how WE spend our money.
Do you expect the government to come in and force Rockstar to port the GTA4 content to PS3? Jason Danforth(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 7:54 PM
Disagree with so much of your article I don’t know where to begin. But I’ll try and keep it as short as possible. 1) If you think developers are just in it to make cash – your just completely and utterly wrong. Game design (especially level design and animation) is an art form. Some of the most talented artists in the world work for game design studios and many of them either have cross industrial ties with CGI or have a background in it. Developers such as Rockstar, SquareSoft and Kojima productions care a great deal about the standard of the game they are going to produce. The games take 2-3 years to develop because they put huge amounts of effort into them. If they were after cash only – the best games that we have seen this generation simply wouldn’t exist. 2) The PS3 console is twice as powerful as the xbox360 in graphical processing. The age old gameplay is important, graphics aren’t – is a redundant argument that has became increasingly more redundant last generation and is now totally redundant with the increasingly accepted standard of HD and consumers expectations. The PS3 console is the only console this generation that has demonstrated games that are of this generation and not slightly sharper looking versions of last generation titles. It isn’t coincidental that all of those games have been PS3 exclusives: MGSIV, Gran Turismo Prologue (GT5 coming very soon), Ratchet&Clank; and KillZone2. Ps3 has also already demonstrated the best capacity of this gen’s consoles for on-line gaming – with titles like Resistance 2 supporting 60 players on-line at once. 3) Increasingly developers are concentrating their efforts in development for the PS3 – they aren’t doing this for fear of too little profit – they are doing it because the hardware allows them to do things they can’t do on other consoles and the average P.C. You site Rockstar and they are already going exclusive with ‘Agent’. 4) Any argument that states that producers will make more money from making Xbox360 versions of PS3 games is stifled by the multi-disc reality. Blu-rays are almost as cheap as DVDroms for game producers. If you then say, as with FFXIV, that the PS3 version is one disc – but the xbox360 version is 3 or 4 discs that raises the cost of producing the same game for the xbox360 vs the PS3 to an uncomfortable level – especially when you are going to produce millions of copies. 5) The people you site as ‘fan-boys’ – have every right to be angry or to feel cheated by developers if they are compromising the quality of the game, so that an already ageing system (the xbox360) can handle it. This NEVER happens with P.C games – if you haven’t got the right hardware – you can’t run the game – simple as.
So at the end of the day – it isn’t ridiculous at all – especially when many PS3 owners bought their console when the price was still relatively high. they bought it because they expected more from the console. The console can deliver that – but only if the developers don’t cheat the consumer. Darth_Oblivion(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 4:03 PM
@Darth_Oblivion,
When Killzone 2 can come with all the features of Halo 3: co-op, 4 player co-op, forge, saved films, & the physics of Halo 3, then come with this trash about the PS3 being twice a powerful as the 360; ridiculous.
Ive broken down the scripted illusion known as Killzone 2 several times, I’ll do it again if I have to! otherZinc(Quote)
September 14, 2009 at 7:43 AM
I just have to chip out a few cornerstones, Darth:
Games are business, and your denial of that fact is the most telling sign of your delusion. Without games that make money, no one would make games. End of discussion…
If you think the majority of cost in making a game is pressing disks, you are WAY out of touch with reality. Sorry. First, how many Xbox 360 games actually come on multiple disks? Not that many at all. That should be more of a black eye for Sony that Games on Blu-ray is STILL not a necessary feature. Second, developing for the Cell eats up much more time and valuable software engineering man-hours than you save by printing on fewer disks.
Your assertions are backed by fact, but only when it’s convenient for you… which is quite infrequent. Can you prove the RSX is “twice as powerful” as the 360’s graphics processor? Or can you simply cite (it’s “cite”, not “site”) a similarly biased article that makes the same assertion? No, you can’t simply make claims as self-evident and expect to to hold water. Your preference for PS3 cannot be used as support for any assertion you want to make.
It’s clear Sony has served you talking points on a silver platter, and all you think you need to do is repeat them, sprinkle some holy water, and believe it in your heart. Sorry to disappoint you.
Sony does not have a destiny to win the console wars. They have to earn it like everyone else. Jason Danforth(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Good article. One problem – “a company must be sure that the risk they’ve taken will be worth it. ” …
You mention the word “risk” throughout much of this piece, but you don’t actually use it properly. The whole point of the concept of risk is that it isn’t safe, nor is it supposed to be safe. A company isn’t taking a risk when they sign exclusivity deals for money, it’s actually a tactic of risk aversion, which is fine. No matter how much money a company puts into a project, if they know they’re at least making some of it back with exclusivity deals (the alleged $50 million for the 360 exclusive expansions, FF13 going multi plat, etc.) then that takes a lot of the risk away.
“Microsoft enabled Rockstar to make sure that they could continue on with the risky development positively and not have to worry about any financial woes…”
So in a sense, Microsoft is enabling Rockstar to make sure that they could continue on, with LESS risk. The exclusivity deal makes the project less risky. You can’t call it a “risky development” if there are no financial woes. The idea of risk is purely financial.
It’s not that big of a deal, I just wish you used the term risk properly here, as your improper use of the term somewhat weakens your argument (though not completely). You could’ve gotten the same point across if you used the term properly, maybe by saying that game development is risky, so they need these deals to eliminate some of the risk. Perhaps it’s a little past the basic economics class that you’re assuming we’ve all taken (I was in fact an econ major in college).
Otherwise, this is a good piece. Though to counter this argument, Playstation fans just feel that since a lot of franchises that were originally developed for a Sony console are now being developed for a different console (and then ported), it somewhat lessens the value of the PS3 that they spent a lot of money on. People bought the PS3 assuming that there favorite franchises from previous Sony consoles would be developed for the Sony console, and get ported to the 360 afterwards. Furthermore, the fact that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360 in most cases (this is fact), and that PS fans’ favorite franchises are being developed for a less powerful console, and then getting ported to the PS3 (or are being developed to have equal quality between both versions), PS3 fans feel that more could’ve been done with the game had it been developed exclusively for the PS3. Make sense? Of course you’ve heard it all before, which is why I assume you’re writing this.
Anyway, good article. Samir(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 8:00 PM
Well its seems times are a changin my xbot friend.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/09/07/xbox-users-petition-over-vesperia-beta-it-isnt-fair/
It’s time to preach to your own choir about the wrongs of feeling shafted. Teach your sheep about the “misplaced” hate that bubbles within over seeing the opposition sweep another weapon from under your nose in order to drive another stake into your heart. But in all fairness we should idly stand by while the ones on top continue to gloat and keep getting superior versions right? James(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 8:05 PM
“The intention is to shed some light on why gamers, not just PS3 gamers,”
well nowhere in your article is the xbox perspective ever discussed. You don’t mention the article I posted, or the less than saintly attitude the xbots had over the news of the exclusive joker dlc among other such events. James(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 8:11 PM
In more capacities, it becomes a dual idea of the stunting of said project, and the continual blurring of the two consoles. For the former, its easy to see why – after all, I recall hearing of content, like the crossbow and the eagle scout, that was cut from Assassins Creed to allow the 360, and we all know that, much as Square Enix denies it, Final Fantasy XIII is being both delayed and scaled down for a multiplatform release. Adn of course lets not get into the whole graphics issue.
For the latter, as much as people will try to deny it, there is a basic difference between the Ps3 and the 360, and it can be seen in their best selling games. The Ps3, an epicly storylined creation overflowing with philosophical undertones and subtext, the 360, an FPS that, meaning no offence to its fans, has a rather stunted storyline and a lead character literally devoid of any form of character or depth. If it comes to the point where the two libraries are mainly shared, we see this ideal of games simply attempting to fit both markets, and ending up as bland. Indigo(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 8:32 PM
Uhhh….
Don’t all fanboys think their entitled to something.
You sir, are a jackass for generalizing all ps3 owners as the title suggests.
I don’t feel I’m entitled to anything for one. mxdan(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 9:40 PM
dan, you are a jackass.
name calling is pretty lame. adrian(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Its also an effective means to getting a point bluntly across. mxdan(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 9:44 PM
I was slightly upset that the ps3 version of Arkham Asylum was getting extras only because the 360 version looks much better. (and therefore was my choice.)
but it’s only because the ps3 version needed the extras to make up for the graphics.
it’s all business. adrian(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Oh really?
Then how come nearly every gaming website is saying the two versions look close to identical?
Who do you think your fooling rather… mxdan(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 9:55 PM
Now with the 360 200$ and the ps3 300$ you can get two for the price you could of got one a year ago. Development companies get shit on in the end always. Its a lose, lose. In this day and age where Used game sales are at an all time high, it only makes sense for Dev houses to seek out other means of income. This is “America” people, if your not making money… you ain’t doing shit. ThatLaLaLa(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Cry me a river. lol(Quote)
September 6, 2009 at 11:31 PM
I think you are missing most of the point because it isn’t so much a sense of entitlement as it is the way these things have been handled. Given the extraordinarily large fanbase of the previous Playstations it’s only natural for a section of that fanbase to feel betrayed when they are lead along thinking all of these games are going to be exclusive to their favorite system, sometimes directly by the companies that make the games, other times through the media. Microsoft stepped into the console scene to get in Sony’s way, that is it. Not because they love making gamers happy but to create dissent and disatisfaction, they mastered it this gen because they are masters of dirty business. Great games, shitty console is what it boils down to for me. But when Squenix goes on and on about how they tailored the(then) White Engine as PS3 middleware ONLY, and then dropped the bomb the way they did at E3 last year was total horseshit. It reeked of a desperation tactic by Microsoft AND SE, pathetic. I could give a shit about DLC for games, if it doesn’t come to my system, oh well, but it will eventually so it’s stupid to argue semantics about it. Full games going one way or another is the MAIN driver behind a console purchase after price. You need to get more in touch with the gamer(s) and stop writing retarded articles about it being just entitlement because it’s not.
And as for GTA PC and every other platform it may have come out on besides the PS1 or PS2 is moot because it’s the PLAYSTATION and its GAMERS that made the franchise what it is, helped it take off, no other platform can boast that. You can try to rebutt, that however would be pointless because it’s true. Final Fantasy VII could have been a multi release for N64 and PS1, but it didn’t. The PS1 helped bring that franchise to mainstream WESTERN audiences. You can bet that if Kutaragi wouldn’t have been a mouthy prick then R* would still be almost totally exclusive to the PS3, same with T2 and 2K, at the very least the 360 would have gotten them later on like it’s older brother did. Capcom mastered it’s audience a long time ago so they would have been multi at some point, but if the 360 launched beside the PS3, this would be a much different story and entitlement would be a valid argument. And I meant that as in this article would read, “Why Are Playstation Owners So Entitled To Their Exclusive Games!?”
The media had a love affair with Microsoft and media outlets were paid to negatively portray the PS3, even when the quality started to roll out, so yeah they get a little pissed when a bunch of cocky asshats start getting acces to the games they thought they were only getting access to, it would be the exact same way if the coin was flipped and they were Xbox exclusives that jumoed ship to the PS3. Learn the differences before posting trite shit like this all over the internet. Makidian(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 12:16 AM
I feel you on this. It funny how you hear many say GTA4 was a ok game but it seems they are crying about the two DLC that MS paid for. I wish all third party games were on both systems. I think that the way it should be. And a smart business move. The more systems it on the more money you can make. But here a idea. Buy all the systems and you never have to worry. Just pick which system you want that game for. Willie Coleman(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 12:33 AM
I find it amazing that despite the point being made by this article some people commenting don’t get that point. Why do people see it as a personal attack? Dirk(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 1:09 AM
Xbox360 is junk and is beginning to show it’s age. Hopefully dev’s will wake up and start working with PS3 not against it. gunk(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 1:11 AM
gah hiya(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 1:14 AM
EXCUSE ME?
It’s Xbox 360 owners that have a disgusting sense of entitlement. YEARS AND YEARS of “MGS4 is coming to 360! Worst kept secret in the industry! It has to! Does Konami not like monies?”
Anytime a PS3 exclusive is announced, the immediate reaction from 360 nutters is “yeah but when’s it coming to 360?”
if they can’t have it, they hate it. They’re like children.
I’ve been saying this for years! God, you media bitches are all the same. Xbox 360 has years of RROD, nothing is reported, but Sony removes backwards compatability or linux and it’s months of incessant bashing. Now it’s one comment on a freaking blog that gets a lengthy article chastising some PS3 owners, generalised on the basis of one idiot who doesn’t even know where GTA started.
I’d like to clear a few things up, because people’s misconceptions of this exclusivity lost crap are always used against the PS3. Just because Xbox FINALLY received a franchise doesn’t mean someone else “lost” the franchise.
The best example is Resident Evil 5, which could not conceivably have been a title PS3 owners thought they were entitled to considering their memories go back farther than the article author’s: Gamecube was the “exclusive” RE console last generation.
Assassin’s Creed: First announced for Xbox 360 at the annual Xbox event, never a PS3 exclusive.
Grand Theft Auto: Never an exclusive series, only announced to be coming day and date on both consoles. Microsoft spun this non-news into a massive coup. See the same thing happening with their “finally our platform is complete (we have all the franchises PS2 had 10 years ago while PS3 sails ahead with original IPs) with MGS Rising”
Final Fantasy XIII, Tekken 6 and DMC4 became multiplatform after being announced as exclusives. The same happened with a few smaller titles.
Neither console is rife with exclusives, but 360 never had many to begin with, seeing as most of the titles are playable on PC and there’s no such thing as a console exclusive or Microsoft exclusive. That’s more Microsoft brainwashing.
But what does it matter? Lost and the Damned was reviewed by the German ratings board for 2 platforms not named Xbox 360 a few months back. L&tD and Gay Tony are coming to PS3/PC, like it or not. smoochiesdeath(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 1:23 AM
Here comes the SDF (Sony Defense Force)! Everyone hide your women and children… hahaha Puinsai(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 1:33 AM
If you paid $600 for a game console, it’s your own dumb fault. (don’t you people have bills?) Quit your whining and write it off as a discounted early blu-ray adoption because that was Sony’s focus to begin with and it shows in the lack of titles.
I own all the current consoles so no calling me a shill for MS or Nintendo.
For those saying that games are dumbed down or diminished because of cross platform development…
Have you never played a favorite PC game on a lesser pc? Just had to lower the res and effects didn’t you…
And as for the storage difference between a 360 dvd title and a Sony blu-ray title, all you need are a couple more discs. Hell, pc games aren’t shipping on blu-ray are they and on average there is a damn site more depth (and better resolution). And as dvd’s are drastically cheaper and easier to produce, where’s the problem?
Seriously, whine and bitch without knowing anything other than you’re pissed about everything not being an exclusive for the most expensive, least popular, and hardest to program for platform. Big surprise there.
Also, and I’ll preface this by saying I’m not completely sure…
but I don’t think the PS3 can do DirectX10 and beyond.
If I’m right, that means the storage doesn’t matter and the hardware is already at it’s limit.
As DX is integrated into Vista (and i assume all future MS OS’s), it will be interesting to see how graphics progress on consoles. From what I understand, DirectX is the most common API for developers… So all they’d have to do to kill a PS4 would be to deny use of DirectX technology. All the 3rd parties will be using it for the 360, its successor, pc, and i assume the wii (which will maybe see DX10 use by Wii #3 in 2015, I hate your lack of concern for hi-def graphics nintendo).
Of course, the way Sony has been eating it money wise for the past few years, there likely won’t be a PS4. We all know the PS3’s a hair away from Dreamcast/NeoGeo status anyway. hiya(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 1:51 AM
It’s not about loyalty, it’s knowing that by having Rockstar make a 360 version, and having to cater for the Xbox limitations, it means the PS3 ends up with the same limitations.
I think it’s given GTA V will be PS3 exclusive, seeing as GTA IV was such a problem getting it to run on Xbox360. Mark(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 1:58 AM
no chance that anything not explicitly owned by Sony will be signed into exclusive contracts from here on.
Why would they?
and again on the limitations… so you release a version with lower graphics settings. Just like they already do for Wii ports.
The real bitch is that Cell, while better, is harder to program for. Look up how that worked out for the Sega Saturn.
And how was it such a problem getting it to run on a 360. pretty much the same as development for pc, so… hiya(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 2:08 AM
To the person saying that Square Enix could’ve made Final Fantasy VII on the N64 and PS1, but didn’t, I have this to say:
You obviously can’t be a huge fan of Final Fantasy or Square Enix since you would know that Previous Final Fantasy’s were made for Nintendo systems. Square Enix had no intention of changing that but Nintendo’s decision to use cartridges meant that Square Enix couldn’t put all the content they wanted onto the N64. So they turned to the PS1. The only reason their so called loyalty to PlayStation came to be is because they had no other choice… Hassi(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 2:11 AM
“I think it’s given GTA V will be PS3 exclusive, seeing as GTA IV was such a problem getting it to run on Xbox360.”
Considering the Xbox 360 version was completed over half a year prior to the PS3 version, I’d say you’re wrong. The Xbox 360 version had to be held back those 6 months, in fact, just to keep it “fair” to PS3 owners. Hassi(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 3:12 AM
guys, seriously give it up no matter how much you bitch cry and whine its not coming to the ps3.
and why do you want it?
give me either uncharted 2, ninja gaiden sigma 2, deamon souls, ratchet and clank future a crack in time and possiably GT5 over this any day.
but thats something i would like to see sony change, they refuse to pay money for exclusive titles and till that changes us ps3 owners are going to miss out on allot of content.
50 bucks says every game that was ps3 exclusive that switched would of stayed with sony if sony offered them some money.
same with DLC, fallout 3, GTAIV, COD MW2, the Beatles rock band are all getting DLC either timed or complete exclusivity to the 360 why because M$ paid them, im sure if sony paid them to the tables would of changed.
sony needs to learn you have to spend money to make money, their never going to beat M$ till they learn that. name(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 3:14 AM
I’m all for an artists vision (games) seeing a larger audience. However, having said that If that experience is cheapened or dumbed down due to the vision going multi-platform, then I do feel a tad cheated. Whilst it’s true what you say Developers don’t owe us anything, by the same token they wouldn’t still be in business if we didn’t buy their games.
In cases of developers such as Square (now Square-Enix since the merger) Sony should feel they are owed something by Square, as if it weren’t for them Square would be bankrupted after the very expensively produced Final Fantasy movie flopped at the box office and Sony bailed them (financially) out of a sinking ship. However where the loyalties lie is less clear cut post Square-Enix merger. With so many Square-Enix titles getting timed exclusive on Xbox360 or no planned released date for PS3 owners, I believe PlayStation fans/owners have a right to feel more than slightly ticked that a company they’ve been supporting for over a decade is not supporting them back. The same could be said when FFVII went exclusive to PS1, The Nintendo Fans/Owners would either have to buy a PS1 to play their games or upgrade from a SNES to an N64 knowing they couldn’t play some of the best RPGs ever made of that generation (excluding the 2 N64 Zelda Titles).
Anyway good article in general. I respect your opinion but don’t agree with you completely. Stinky(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 4:50 AM
You claim the first 3d ones were a paid timed exclusive with Sony? See I stopped reading right there it shows how much knowledge you really have. The Xbox wasn’t out when GTA 3 was released. GTA was out on PS2 in october 2001 and the Xbox wasn’t even launched till a month later. So why sign exclusivity when theirs no other console out at the time? Your obviously very biased to an MS console here thus making your views coloured. vhero(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 4:50 AM
this is true, except you forget to mention that its exactly the same with xbox360 fanatics Truth(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 5:14 AM
Brand loyalty is silly, but the GTA fiasco is proof of problems with companies that once were loyal to sony. I don’t care abouy the shitty DLC for GTA, honestly because GTA IV sucked imho, but I care that the PS3 version suffered due to it being pretty much entirely developed for 360. Shoddy resolutions, slowdown, and a crapfest of other issues due to not enough PS3 side development. Same with Orange Box, same with DMC4, same with the upcoming FFXIII. It’s not to say that the 360 is inferior (though its history speaks for itself in terms of stability), but I’m saying that the PS3 is a different console, and therefore requires different attention. Simply porting games to the system is not going to work, and dumbing down games to be similar across both systems just pisses off Sony fans.The game industry used to be about making the best damn games they could at the time, but now it’s about making the most damn money they can (cough, Activision CEO).
All that comes off this brand loyalty shit is a bunch of butthurt fanboys and a general wave of displeasure among gamers in general. Angry gamer(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 5:39 AM
OKAY – HOW (AND WHERE) THE HELL DID YOU GET THAT PHOTO OF MY FRIEND MUCKING AROUND IN MY COUSIN’S BACK GARDEN? I HAVEN’T FILLED IN A MEMBERSHIP FORM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT – THAT IS WELL DODGY – SEND ME AN E-MAIL AND EXPLAIN PLEASE….. Darth_Oblivion(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 5:45 AM
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September 7, 2009 at 6:06 AM
You’re damn right about that. It’s good most of the comments are positive. I’m glad to see people understanding the argument presented by the writer here. Of course the most credit goes to you OG Khalid Nahari(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 6:39 AM
I’m 100% with you on this. But it’s just plain ignorance to say it only happens with PS3 fanboys. As a moderator of a gaming website, I deal with jealous fanboys all the time. It just seems only the PS3 fanboys get the coverage in gaming media.
Btw, it’s not PS3 owners who whine, it’s the fanboys.
As correct as most of your “blog” here may be, I can sense obvious bias here. Jason(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 6:49 AM
Ugh. Sorry about the bias bit. Looking back, it was a stupid thing to say. Dealing with idiots on gaming forums can alter your perception of certain gamers. Jason(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 6:53 AM
@Jason Need not apologize brother we weather the storm of fanboys with you daily. Marcus Little(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 7:58 AM
Wow, Sony fanboys came in here full force huh? Its odd too, cause this article is well written. If you find it biased, if is because you yourself have bias in your heart. Sad really, if you want the best version of you favorite game, get whatever system it is on. Bitching online and attacking people for liking a system you don’t will solve nothing. If you don’t believe me, look at the regular sales numbers for hard AND software. Better yet, lets look at what happened when former Sony exclusives went multiplatform (DMC for example). Fanboys petitioned, people probably killed themselves no joke. What changed? Nothing, thats what. In fact the sales of the game only supported the decision to go multiplatform. Your real voice is you money. Try using that instead of attacking people online who aren’t doing anything wrong. If fanboys did this, maybe things would be different. Ironic that they can rule the internet, but not be a force where it really counts. Michael Ajibade(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 10:19 AM
True but still same with Xbox fanatics
latest petition on Tales of Vesperia for example. Truth(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 9:34 AM
PS3 FANBOYS ARE SUCH FAGGOTS XBOXJIZZONMYFACE(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM
I see what your saying but i dont think you should just nail ps3 fanboys all fanboys complain about content or games that dont come out on their console (joker on batman arkham asylum). I think sony fans should be very happy with what sony is doin by puting more money into first party and not so much into third party because you know that those games will never go multi. Any way i totaly agree with you i mean yeah exclusives like tekken 6 has always been associated with the playstation brand but sonys creating a new identity with games like KZ2 LBP uncharted2 and so fourth and so ps3 fans should not be complaining, im sure as hell not. Aaron(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM
“Too long now have I witnessed it countless times…”
Oh yeah? Well what the hell are you going to DO? Nothing kills me more than self-righteous indignation on the internet. It’s right up there with the guy who always kisses ass in the first post. Sony comes out and says “Firmware 3.0 won’t really have anything all that new… Such-and-such game won’t be out any time near when we said it would” rest assured there’ll be some dude to hump up and say “Thanks for keeping us informed!” in the first post. Well the hell with that dude and the hell with your indignation! Gravis(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 1:18 PM
Whil I agree with some of your comments you do have a biased view, your talking as if its just PS3 users who are like this when its not just them, 360 users and wii owners are just as bad so dont try and blame all the moaning and complaining on one consoles users. Andrew Spokes(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 2:46 PM
This sort of thing really confuses me. I am a PS3 owner that enjoys gaming so much to the point where i don’t care about exclusivity. As far as im concerned release every game multiplatform so the delevopers and publishers can make as much money as possible so they can invest all the money they made from the previous title and produce another 5 STAR game. In my oppinion console wars should be battled using the hardware not the software. So as Far as the GTA IV DLC let them do what they want with it, if microsoft is paying them is more than what they would make by giving PS3 owners the DLC for the exclusivity, I dont blame them keep sucking the money out of microsoft while there offering it then when there done release it on PS3. weh hey even more $$$$. I just cant understand why microsoft thinks that having exclusivity on a few extra episodes of GTA IV will sell more 360’s, “Just my oppinion BTW” KMX(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Absolutely! otherZinc(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 3:13 PM
I find it ridiculous you single out PS3 owners when there’s 360 fans out there trying to petition games that are better on PS3 than the 360. Tom(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM
You’ve no idea why?
I’ll tell you. It’s the stupid die hard Ps3 fans, who, because of the Ps3’s horrible start in the industry, now have a complex against the success of other consoles. You’ll see that every time an article is posted on N4G reporting something positive about another console that it’s immediately dismissed by every Ps3 fanboy who patrols the website. On top of that, every news of a possible exclusive to the Ps3 is immediately circled jerked on and paraded around in the faces of everyone else, while at the same time any bad news about the Ps3 is again dismissed without reason.
It’s just a complex that’s all, because Ps3 is still running in last out of all three consoles, and still has the least amount of titles available on it. Hence Ps3 fans will always post a list of their upcoming exclusives while all the time ignoring the amount of titles the 360 or Wii has that it doesn’t, usually because some titles aren’t exclusive to those consoles (though they still aren’t available on the Ps3, so what difference does it make?). True that(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM
there is no such thing like an xbox 360 fanboy and if there was he would be better than you! ^^ your comment is so WTF?!! Truth(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM
^^^While the Xbox and Nintendo fans are finally relishing their temporary victory over the once-great king of the console realm. They’re the loonies who won’t let up. So what? You got a few sales here and there and you completely forget why! If PS3 wasn’t 599 to start, this would never have happened. And now, with the Slim, it’s at least all over for Xbox, and that point is undebatable. Wii managed to pull ahead sharply, but it seems as if it’s in the process of dying.
But hey! That’s Nintendo’s strategy say the Nintendo fans absorbed in their company’s supposed business skills – many short term periods of profitability = long term profitability, right, right? Wrong. They can’t plan for the future, in fact, the Wii was made with the past in mind.
360’s strategy of (temporarily) exclusive DLC didn’t pan out, and they’ve cut loose their internal devs, so what’ll be left when Sony recoups its losses and starts forking out millions to stop MS? Nothing.
Learn, fanboys. Watch and learn. It’s the return of the king. smoochiesdeath(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Lol you fanboys really love to beat off to something that hasn’t even happened yet, don’t you? Being in third place has really made you passionate about not being there anymore, hasn’t it?
Ps3 is still behind and still has the least amount of games. Until it actually manages to pull a miracle out of it’s ass and start selling more, quit trying to be Nostradamus with your bold predictions.
I don’t expect many of you to stop with this crusade of “omg FAIL” comments and hypocracy though, you’re all from the Ps3 fanboy riddled shit milkshake that is the N4G community. True that(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 5:20 PM
@True that
Do you realize how utterly stupid you sounded right now? Lets review, you say that the Wii and the 360 have more games then the PS3 which of course then you point out (Like any other fanboy to Microsoft) that Sony is in dead last in this next Gen system because they had a bad start. One thing you should know is that this Next Gen console war is not even CLOSE to being done, I quote the fucking Joker from Arkham asylum
Batman (360): Its Over Joker (Sony), you lost this Next Gen war!
Joker (Sony): “Over? Oh It hasn’t even begun”
its just BEGINNING and in the long run by the very end of this console war its going to be Sony Vs Nintendo like it was meant to be! Two Rivals that have been fighting before Microsoft stuck their nose into the Video game industry.
Do you know PS3 has more exclusives then the 360 at this moment of time? Most 360 “Exclusives” like Gears and Halo can be purchase on a PC which technically means its not exclusive to that system. Have you ever walked in to your local Gamespot and took a good look at the Wii library? Have you seen all the shitty games like “Baby party 4″ and “Unicorn Rainbowland”, are you going to consider those actual games? Gtfoutta here, Let me also mention that the Wii is first place in this next gen console war, destroying the 360 with their crappy multipaltform games! The Wii is only standing because Nintendo themselves are the only developers that are keeping the Wii from falling due to with exclusives games (Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda).
Ps3 horrible start in the industry? Lets point out Microsoft’s quality to make a good system, RROD = HORRIBLE, ERROR 507 = LAME, DISK SCRATCHING = GAY!
And to the person who wrote that horrible Article, get your fucking facts straight. GTA may have been on PC, but GTA 3 is what hit the gaming industry HARD and was considered one of the best games to ever been created following Zelda: Ocarina Of Time and FF 7, GTA 3 was on the Ps2 which was the SONY platform which help Rockstar to where they are today as they release the following spin offs (Vice city, San Andres) etc. I can tell you haven’t even done any research and wrote this article so blinded saying “GTA CAME OUT ON PC FIRST, STFU SONY FANBOYS) and how its all about money.
First of all GTA 1 and 2 on PC is not even connected in ANYWAY to GTA 3 that was release on Sony platform. You say its all business and money right?
Microsoft made a deal with Rockstart and payed 50 million for two epic episodes of GTA 4, but do you realize this deal was “Time exclusive”? Do you know the reason why Rockstar can’t release the two episodes on PS3, its because their under a contract and until they release Balled Of Gay Tony, after six months after the release of the final episode the contract will be terminated and R* will have the pleasure to do whatever the fuck they want with their DLC.
Yeah R* took the money, they just rip off Microsoft for 50 Mil over time exclusive. Basically Microsoft got rip off believing having DLC for one of the greatest games ever to be created exclusive to their console would give them the upper hand. Sadly that didn’t work out now did it? Samanosuke(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM
Quoting video game characters to put emphasis on a point. Hilarious. How old are you, 12? True that(Quote)
September 8, 2009 at 2:50 AM
I can tell that you had nothing better to say but point out that I used Batman and Joker as examples for Microsoft and Sony. And what if I am “12″? You just got owned by a twelve year old when it came to video game knowledge which is pathetic. XD Samanosuke(Quote)
September 8, 2009 at 8:52 PM
@ Samanosuke
Why don’t you tell that smoochiesdeath? But, According to your novel, that’s not going to happen is it? Good job! wiime(Quote)
September 7, 2009 at 8:32 PM
As a PS3 owner I can easily see why people bitch and complain so much about exclusive content. When it was announced that Rockstar was developing DLC exclusively for the Xbox 360 I was pissed too. But not at Rockstar. I was pissed at Sony for not taking care of their customers. Rockstar, or any other developer for that matter, is not directly responsible for what platform we use to play their games. They did not convince us that console A was a better value than console B. That comes down to the console manufacturers themselves. I didn’t mind paying $500 for a console that was going to provide as much entertainment as it does. However, when I start losing value because of things like content going exclusive to the other console, then I start to mind.
And it’s not just with the GTA 4 content either. Xbox 360 owners get access to the custom content for Rockband, while PS3 owners may get some of the songs after they are released. Not only that, but full sized guitar controllers will be released for the 360, but not the PS3. Things like this anger me because I am being punished for choosing the PS3. At least with the PC I don’t have to worry about a game or hardware being available for one PC but not the one I own.
But I don’t feel that I am entitled to anything from the developer. I do feel that I’m entitled to something from Sony, since I made an investment in their company by purchasing their hardware, and I continue to invest in their company by purchasing games for their hardware. Sony are the ones who failed to ensure their customers get the best value for their money. Rockstar is providing a service with their DLC, but it is Sony’s responsibility to ensure that their customers have access to that service. As mentioned by several people above, Sony needs to start stepping up to the plate and ensuring that we get just as many great games for the PS3 as we get for the 360. I don’t want exclusive content, I want equal content. I don’t care about the titles that are already exclusive to their respective consoles. The 360 can keep Gears and Halo (I prefer to play my shooters with a keyboard and mouse anyways), but I want to see equal treatment in the future. Until we get to the point where titles have to be exclusive due to console limitation I would prefer to see games released on both system with the same content (except for the expect 1st party stuff). Azrael(Quote)
September 8, 2009 at 2:49 AM
@True that
I can tell that you had nothing better to say but point out that I used Batman and Joker as examples for Microsoft and Sony. And what if I am “12″? You just got owned by a twelve year old when it came to video game knowledge which is pathetic. XD Samanosuke(Quote)
September 8, 2009 at 5:00 AM
You didn’t “own” anyone little boy. All you did was prove your ignorance. You lose. True that(Quote)
September 8, 2009 at 12:45 PM
One that sarcasm you fucking idiot, I can’t believe you would call a 12 year old ignorant. Wow, Why don’t you start backing up your talk and actually learn the definition of “Ignorance” before actually using it, you right now are showing it. Instead of actually trying to insult me, start trying to prove me wrong instead of talking out of your ass idiot. Samanosuke(Quote)
September 9, 2009 at 5:29 AM
Wow, you’re quite hot headed lol. I don’t think it’s confirmed how much Microsoft paid for the dlc, however I got a feeling it may show up on the ps3 sooner or later or maybe it might get it’s own dlc similar to fallout 3. Either if it does, by that time the game would be washed out and no longer desirable. I personally found the Lost and Damned dlc boring. Who knows, but time Khalid Nahary(Quote)
September 9, 2009 at 1:39 AM
All I see here is whining from the other point of view. TalesOtaku(Quote)
September 25, 2009 at 12:57 AM
People are blinded by the violence and crappy “car stealing” animations. GTA is horribly buggy and just a chore to play. Don’t know why PS3 owners would care about Rockstar or their unpolished games. Though with a title like “Gay Tony,” its obvious they know their audience is immature kids. DoesntCare(Quote)
September 29, 2009 at 12:17 AM
My thoughts on this topic, hmmm… Sony step your game up and give your customers what they deserve for being faithful and actually paying 6 bills for your system. 60 bucks for a controller/ game.
I’m a ps3 owner, don’t really care about what system is better, or all that tech junk, if you’re a sony head you will buy the system based off that alone, the same can be said for the Xbox. Both systems has their faults, xbox is cool love halo, that’s about it, nevertheless, Ms is only providing the best for their supporters. Can’t be mad at that. You lames are always finding ways to try to be better then each other, ” oh my system is better ” and ect, a game is a game, if you like xbox cool, you like ps3 cool, owning either makes you no better, smh lames- whofukincarez??(Quote)
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